WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:22.760 Thank you very much to all of you to be here for the organizers to give me the opportunity 00:22.760 --> 00:32.060 to present this work. So I'm interested. I'm going to talk about this joint work with Professor 00:32.060 --> 00:39.940 Tomas Rezio at the University in Ebrichha in Madrid. So we are going to talk about 00:39.940 --> 00:46.460 opensions, about the research so far, about research data, in three steps, the definition 00:46.460 --> 00:52.860 of dissemination evaluation and then we will go to the conoderned challenges. So we 00:52.860 --> 01:01.060 start with opensions at some point in our work with Tomas. We were finding people saying, 01:01.060 --> 01:11.460 I don't know very well what means opensions. Maybe we can say something. So this is the proposition 01:11.460 --> 01:18.960 of the definition that we propose. Opensions is the political and legal framework, where 01:18.960 --> 01:26.820 research outputs are ser and disseminated in order to be rendered visible, accessible, 01:26.820 --> 01:34.840 or reliable. As you can see, I have always a lot of information in each page. Please don't 01:34.840 --> 01:45.600 try to read all of them. You have these lies in the website. For each page, I will go to 01:45.600 --> 01:53.520 the main points in order to keep the main ideas, the main information. Then you can go read 01:53.520 --> 02:03.480 these lies with time. Please come back to me as you have some questions. This work is not only 02:03.480 --> 02:11.160 about proposing a definition, but also to extract a landscape of information that is sometimes 02:11.160 --> 02:16.680 a bit complex. And this is much easier to see in this portrait. You have copies here, 02:16.680 --> 02:24.720 available for you, if you like some. So in the poster, you can see why what has motivated 02:24.720 --> 02:33.480 us to propose a definition that the definition is again here. Why this definition stands 02:33.480 --> 02:43.080 over three pillars, the definition of open access to publications, the free software definition, 02:43.080 --> 02:51.320 something about that, that I don't like to mention because it's too complex. The definition 02:51.400 --> 02:57.600 of free software is very important for us because when I started to be confronted to the 02:57.600 --> 03:06.040 open science world in other European level, I say, well, these people never ask, never say 03:06.040 --> 03:10.960 anything about license. And the license is very important. The role of the license are very 03:11.040 --> 03:22.520 important. This is one of the first legal points in this proposition. Here we did studies on 03:22.520 --> 03:30.120 political context at the European level, for France and Spain, we did studies on political 03:30.200 --> 03:39.480 issues. We cannot talk anymore about the open science without mentioning the UNESCO 03:39.480 --> 03:47.880 work. The UNESCO work started in 2019. You know, very well that there was a COVID, so that 03:47.880 --> 03:55.720 changed a lot. There were some people think about this question. There was some preliminary 03:55.800 --> 04:05.800 report. This is why we did a first version of our work to send our work to the committees 04:05.800 --> 04:15.640 that were working on this. Then there is the final report. This is talking to every country 04:15.720 --> 04:23.720 about all scientific areas. This is the first work I started to write with the mass in 2018, but 04:27.720 --> 04:37.720 this is work I have been doing in my lab for a long time. When my direction asked me to take 04:37.800 --> 04:47.080 care about the results of what in my lab, I started to go to my colleagues and see, what are 04:47.080 --> 04:54.760 you doing, what results of what are you. The vocabulary didn't exist still at this point. So what 04:54.760 --> 05:01.640 are you doing as a software? People were surprised and they had two questions. What I do is software. 05:01.720 --> 05:11.160 What I do is software of the lab, and both questions have, and still have, positive answers. 05:12.840 --> 05:20.600 So with the mass, I did propose a phase definition in the context of our research lab 05:20.600 --> 05:28.280 in France, and then with the mass, we did the reconsider this formulation, and now we talk about 05:28.360 --> 05:34.040 our research team, maybe international. So this is the formulation we propose. 05:34.040 --> 05:41.800 Rocea software is a well-identified set of code that has been written and well-identified 05:41.800 --> 05:48.680 research team. It is so word that has been built and used to produce a result, 05:48.680 --> 05:56.280 publish it or disseminate it in some article of scientific contribution. We are in a digital 05:56.280 --> 06:04.280 world, so its research software is in fact a set of files that contain the source code, 06:04.280 --> 06:12.680 maybe the compiler code. There may be many other things like documentation, like license, 06:12.680 --> 06:20.840 the examples of use, with videos that look inside your body, you can put many things down there. 06:21.640 --> 06:29.400 So again, when I was working in my lab, I also in a project at French level, French national level, 06:30.440 --> 06:38.360 some people were disseminated the software correctly with the license. Most of the people, 06:38.440 --> 06:44.120 a lot of people were saying, no, no, my software is already free. It is there, you can do whatever 06:46.120 --> 06:53.160 you like, why you need the license. In fact, if you don't have a license, you saw what is no free, 06:53.640 --> 07:02.200 and this was a message I had been working a lot to send to the community. So please choose a license 07:02.280 --> 07:08.760 and put a license in the software, before distribute the software. And maybe you should talk 07:08.760 --> 07:17.560 with the health of the laboratory of the health of institutions. So I told you, I have done a lot 07:17.560 --> 07:26.520 of training sessions, I am not the only one, obviously. This has a nice result, I think, 07:27.480 --> 07:35.400 there has been a national adolescent, national survey in France. We saw this software listed 07:36.920 --> 07:46.760 80% now, they have a license. This was not a situation, a lot of time ago. So since 07:46.760 --> 07:51.960 are going well, but the information, the training should keep going. 07:52.920 --> 08:02.920 So this is the work I started to do with the mass in 2018, because the question is, we are doing 08:02.920 --> 08:12.200 a lot of software in our research laboratories, but how this software has a role in the evaluation 08:13.240 --> 08:19.640 step. Because in research, when you evaluate something, you look at the publications articles. 08:20.280 --> 08:31.080 So we did propose this, this schedule protocol with four steps. The first one is the 08:31.080 --> 08:36.600 station, the second one is the simulation, the third one is used, and the fourth one is 08:36.600 --> 08:42.440 reserved. The first one is the station, as you have seen already in this room today, 08:42.440 --> 08:48.680 the station is very important, but it's also the way to identify a research of what 08:48.760 --> 08:56.280 as a research output. You know, who has done it, which is the team who has participated 08:56.280 --> 09:04.280 to the output, and is a legal point, is where do they have with copyright issues? 09:06.120 --> 09:16.520 Then the dissemination is where the evaluation committee, we can't check if the software is 09:16.520 --> 09:22.280 disseminated correctly following a dissemination protocol, like the one we have proposed here, 09:23.480 --> 09:32.280 this corresponds to maybe open science policies and the legal point is licensed. 09:33.560 --> 09:39.480 The use step is where you concentrate all the aspects related to the software, 09:40.440 --> 09:45.640 quality, etc, and you can go as far as you like, and this is the point that we have 09:45.640 --> 09:51.080 associated to the reproducibility of the research results, and the fourth point is a research. 09:52.760 --> 10:00.440 So evaluation of research as you saw now. Now, how we go from software to that. 10:02.120 --> 10:07.480 One of the things that is important to realize for us is that we have never tried to say what 10:07.560 --> 10:15.640 so what is. We have adopted the legal vision, because the importance of alpha-sip writes, 10:18.040 --> 10:27.800 can we do the same with data? If I just undo, we can not do something similar with data, because 10:27.800 --> 10:35.080 data in itself does not fall under any specific legal regime. There is personal data, 10:35.080 --> 10:45.400 there is data related to geographical data, environmental data, but there is no legal status for data. 10:47.000 --> 10:55.160 But this is to a problem to propose a definition of research data. As this knowledge changes 10:55.160 --> 11:06.840 for says, anyway, data may not be protected, and anyway, you should check the own case by case 11:06.840 --> 11:13.720 basis. And not only from the legal point of view, also from the scientific point of view, 11:13.720 --> 11:22.840 and from the technical point of view, the people that give the data away. So, as I told you, 11:23.720 --> 11:30.600 we don't say what data is, but we can say what the research data is, and we have a similar formulation 11:31.320 --> 11:38.520 as the one proposed for research software. So, research data is a well-identified set of data that 11:38.520 --> 11:45.960 has been produced. We are using all this terminology by a research team that data has been collected, 11:45.960 --> 11:52.600 processed, in order to produce a public set result or disseminated is on contribution. 11:53.720 --> 12:00.040 Again, we are in a digital world, we have a set of files containing the data, and maybe many other 12:00.040 --> 12:08.600 things. One of the characteristics is that data is going to be manipulated with software, and this 12:08.680 --> 12:17.080 software can be or no processed software. So, the dissemination procedure, now we can say, 12:17.080 --> 12:25.320 yes, we can use the same dissemination procedure, that is always what we propose is always very flexible, 12:25.320 --> 12:33.640 it can be adapted to each case. It is the same, and there are two little differences, 12:33.640 --> 12:43.560 there is one that, in this step, you will check the author's tips if there is, or there is not, 12:44.280 --> 12:51.640 maybe there are other legal context. Here, you say, well, maybe, let's say, software, 12:51.640 --> 12:59.000 sorry, software and data and not the same object. So, what is something that you write? Data is 12:59.000 --> 13:04.040 something that you collect, so you will not deal with the object suddenly in the same way. 13:04.760 --> 13:10.760 And is the same for the specific application protocol that we propose, steps are the same, 13:10.760 --> 13:19.000 there are two differences, exactly the same, the legal context, to be check it before the dissemination, 13:19.000 --> 13:28.200 you should be aware of the legal context of your data. They use a weak concentrate in the, in this 13:28.200 --> 13:35.320 step, all the quality related to data, et cetera, but the framework is a sad video same. 13:36.040 --> 13:44.120 So, the conodrome challenges, this is work by Christine Bormann in 2012, 13:45.160 --> 13:49.800 that said, it is a researcher, very well known, the researcher's data world, 13:50.520 --> 13:57.000 as he said, data setting is a conodrome. The challenges are to understand which data might be 13:57.000 --> 14:04.120 served by whom, with whom, under what conditions, why and to what effects, answers will 14:04.120 --> 14:13.320 inform data policy and practice. So, here are the answers we try to, we have, provide 14:14.920 --> 14:21.080 to these questions, with data is to be served, and by whom, this is the research team, 14:21.160 --> 14:25.480 the research team takes the decision of which is the opposite to be served. 14:28.040 --> 14:34.920 How following a dissemination procedure, like the one we have proposed, where there are many places, 14:34.920 --> 14:43.240 now you can find them here with whom, this is an interesting question, because as Christine Bormann 14:43.240 --> 14:51.000 already says, intended users may vary from researchers, in a very specific domain 14:51.640 --> 14:56.360 to the general public, and between these two extremes, you can have everything. 14:57.960 --> 15:04.360 Under what conditions, license, the license gives the selling conditions, why, 15:05.400 --> 15:10.440 there are many reasons, maybe open science policies, maybe research evaluation, 15:11.720 --> 15:18.040 the conodrome challenges for researchers software, because the questions for Bormann's 15:18.040 --> 15:26.280 world for research data, and now we have saved this year with us, well, what about the commuter 15:26.280 --> 15:32.680 challenges for research software? In fact, the questions are obviously the same, and the answers are 15:32.680 --> 15:43.400 pretty similar. I am not going to enter, because we don't have much time. This is, as for a lot of 15:43.400 --> 15:51.320 work, I don't like to give you more information. So we have a speak about the open science, 15:51.320 --> 15:57.480 about research software, about research data, in three steps, definition, dissemination, evaluation. 15:57.480 --> 16:05.320 We have used the information, we have from research software, and we have been able to apply 16:05.320 --> 16:12.920 this knowledge in comparing these two options, we have been able to use this information for 16:12.920 --> 16:20.840 research data to say what is not similar, for the conodrome challenges is the other way around. 16:22.440 --> 16:29.480 Thus, we have built a framework to study research software, to understand, explain then, 16:30.440 --> 16:36.360 and to promote their contribution to open science. It has been constructed in three stages, 16:36.360 --> 16:41.880 definition, dissemination, evaluation. We have proposed a similar framework for research data, 16:43.880 --> 16:50.360 in this context, we have been able to produce answers to the Bormas conodrome challenges 16:51.000 --> 16:59.000 for research data, and for research. So what does it? Thank you very much for your attention. 16:59.000 --> 17:21.000 If you like to take a copy of the poster, please, okay, I would like, I would like to 17:29.720 --> 17:32.280 take a copy of the poster. 17:38.120 --> 17:44.200 Excuse me, I don't hear you very well, it's too nice, sorry. Please. 17:48.520 --> 17:48.760 Yes? 17:59.080 --> 18:09.080 I mean, when we did propose this formulation, there were some people saying, excuse me. 18:10.520 --> 18:18.600 So the question is, other people propose the definitions about open science with 18:21.800 --> 18:27.800 the process of science, not just the open. 18:29.960 --> 18:39.000 There are many different considerations. There was someone when we were preparing this 18:39.000 --> 18:46.280 work, saying, more or less, do people don't know what you like? 18:47.560 --> 18:55.560 My, what I like is that research outputs are in this way. I do not just, I, it's my dad. 18:56.840 --> 19:03.320 It's the scientists I know, I have been working all my life with, they like that they work, 19:03.400 --> 19:10.440 it's visible, accessible, that you say. This is what I understand about the scientific community where 19:10.440 --> 19:17.880 I am since long time, and not only I, obviously, the mass agrees and the mass is all professor 19:17.880 --> 19:25.960 that is retired and has a experience in many scientific areas. So, but it's not just about the 19:25.960 --> 19:34.920 outputs, it's about the political and legal framework. And this is not just a, a, a, a, a 19:34.920 --> 19:41.720 the level of, of a laboratory at the level of the institution at the level of a country or the European 19:41.720 --> 19:51.800 Commission. I have been always working with questions related to intellectual property. When I 19:51.880 --> 19:59.320 started to work around the research software, the questions are who is the author of the software, 19:59.320 --> 20:07.960 how this works, who decides the license. So, for me, it was important to clarify the legal 20:07.960 --> 20:20.360 questions. Processes, I am not particularly confronted to this kind of work. So, I understand other 20:20.440 --> 20:31.480 people has other pieces, it's normal. They are fine. But my idea is to simplify the, the landscape 20:31.480 --> 20:38.920 of open science before this work, it was very complex. I can no go and talk with the people in my 20:38.920 --> 20:47.160 lab saying, oh, look at this, open science, they have no time, these two complex. So, you 20:47.800 --> 20:54.920 should give something clear, simple, that is possible to take in one second. 21:06.360 --> 21:07.160 Thank you very much.