WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.000 So I'm excited present, Rashi Saxena, and take it away. 00:10.000 --> 00:11.000 Thank you everyone. 00:11.000 --> 00:12.000 I hope you're doing well. 00:12.000 --> 00:14.000 I'm from the Accessibility Lab. 00:14.000 --> 00:19.000 We look at enhancing the lives of persons with disabilities. 00:19.000 --> 00:26.000 I'm promote the digital rights because everyone should have access to vital applications 00:26.000 --> 00:30.000 and digital tools. 00:30.000 --> 00:39.000 Without accessibility, there's not really a way we can protect the security of people, 00:39.000 --> 00:44.000 especially exposing them to the risks that they have. 00:44.000 --> 00:50.000 So we try to ensure that web interfaces are available, they're functional, 00:50.000 --> 00:56.000 and they're also compatible with all of the ongoing assistive devices. 00:56.000 --> 01:00.000 I will also be showing you a few examples of them to understand it. 01:00.000 --> 01:08.000 And this talk is more like talking about why accessibility audits are necessary, 01:08.000 --> 01:16.000 and should be seen as essential security components in addition to security usability audits. 01:16.000 --> 01:23.000 Because there's always an all or there's always a lot of interchangeability in our community 01:23.000 --> 01:25.000 that people say, hey, I'm doing usability. 01:25.000 --> 01:30.000 So usability has a few components of accessibility, so we can ignore accessibility 01:30.000 --> 01:35.000 or don't do accessibility because it has security risks or don't useability. 01:35.000 --> 01:40.000 But all of them are equally important, and I probably, with the limited time, 01:40.000 --> 01:45.000 I have touch upon a few basic aspects. 01:45.000 --> 01:49.000 So what are some of the benefits of accessibility? 01:49.000 --> 01:52.000 And this slide changes based on who we're talking to. 01:52.000 --> 01:57.000 Of course, we as a service provider and vendor, we provide accessibility services. 01:57.000 --> 02:01.000 Across the board, we do it specifically with open source tools, 02:01.000 --> 02:05.000 because open source tools are usually under-resourced and underfunded, 02:05.000 --> 02:08.000 but open source tools are free and available for everyone. 02:08.000 --> 02:12.000 So they should be ideally more adaptable and accessible to people, 02:12.000 --> 02:17.000 they free from the different costs and licensing. 02:17.000 --> 02:22.000 So yes, we work a lot with different open source tools. 02:22.000 --> 02:24.000 Of course, it helps with social responsibility. 02:24.000 --> 02:29.000 As I mentioned, it helps in having a competitive advantage. 02:29.000 --> 02:34.000 So if you are accessible in XYZ different languages, 02:34.000 --> 02:37.000 and you're accessible with different features, 02:37.000 --> 02:41.000 25% of the world suffers from some sort of disability. 02:41.000 --> 02:49.000 It can be hidden, or otherwise, one in seven people have some sort of a disability 02:49.000 --> 02:50.000 that can be permanent. 02:50.000 --> 02:51.000 Some are permanent. 02:51.000 --> 02:56.000 It could also happen that you can develop a lot later in life. 02:56.000 --> 03:01.000 Of course, it helps with SEO positioning and compatibility 03:01.000 --> 03:03.000 for all the private sector companies here. 03:03.000 --> 03:06.000 I'm very importantly, compliance with legislation. 03:07.000 --> 03:14.000 We are at a time where the EU disability has been there. 03:14.000 --> 03:20.000 There have been certain aspects where public sector has to be compliant, 03:20.000 --> 03:25.000 but then this benefit also moves more towards private sector companies 03:25.000 --> 03:29.000 and other organizations that would also need to comply. 03:29.000 --> 03:33.000 A very important component is of course autonomy. 03:33.000 --> 03:38.000 A lot of people enjoy the independence of operating on their own, 03:38.000 --> 03:42.000 accessing a website to buy food, accessing a website, 03:42.000 --> 03:45.000 to buy something online, livelihoods. 03:45.000 --> 03:50.000 A lot of them enjoy the dignity that the rightly social 03:50.000 --> 03:53.000 and improving certain aspects of accessibility, 03:53.000 --> 03:57.000 or at least talking about it, would go a long way. 03:57.000 --> 04:02.000 We also talk about security ensuring that accessible services online 04:02.000 --> 04:09.000 are efficient and also secure options for everyday tasks, 04:09.000 --> 04:13.000 especially when we live in an anxiety of a lot of cyber scams. 04:13.000 --> 04:16.000 I mean, I come from India where we have a lot of cyber scams, 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 a lot of people getting duped for the wrong thing. 04:19.000 --> 04:26.000 There is a general apprehension of using online services. 04:26.000 --> 04:31.000 There should be provisions made without compromising security, 04:31.000 --> 04:34.000 which is of course a delicate balance. 04:34.000 --> 04:38.000 Essentially, we are looking at increasing the number of users that we have 04:38.000 --> 04:43.000 when we talk about web accessibility, digital accessibility, 04:43.000 --> 04:48.000 and would you think is more accessible? 04:48.000 --> 04:55.000 Do you think websites are more accessible or applications are more accessible? 04:55.000 --> 04:59.000 Why are websites more accessible? 04:59.000 --> 05:03.000 I think so before installing apps. 05:03.000 --> 05:06.000 Anyone else? 05:06.000 --> 05:07.000 Anyone else? 05:07.000 --> 05:09.000 If you are only having two devices, 05:09.000 --> 05:12.000 so if your app is not even on one of them, 05:12.000 --> 05:14.000 like you come, I think it is not available, 05:14.000 --> 05:17.000 but I think I can find a problem. 05:17.000 --> 05:20.000 This is how someone, yeah, go ahead. 05:20.000 --> 05:23.000 I'm actually going to say applications, 05:23.000 --> 05:25.000 because they have to disagree. 05:25.000 --> 05:28.000 They have to follow the standard libraries that come with the operating system. 05:29.000 --> 05:34.000 So tools like screen readers and such are made already made to work for this, 05:34.000 --> 05:37.000 but there are many ways in which you can design a website 05:37.000 --> 05:40.000 that does not work with those tools. 05:40.000 --> 05:41.000 Yeah? 05:41.000 --> 05:43.000 I would actually be more accurate for all websites, 05:43.000 --> 05:47.000 because the site recently because you have a website at HTML, 05:47.000 --> 05:49.000 which follows the web as a website available, 05:49.000 --> 05:54.000 because applications you often just have a canvas and call an advertisement. 05:54.000 --> 05:58.000 But this is how we need to know what is that? 05:58.000 --> 06:01.000 This is the picture. 06:01.000 --> 06:02.000 Amazing. 06:02.000 --> 06:07.000 The answer is, you can see this is data from late 2023. 06:07.000 --> 06:10.000 These are basically examples of lawsuits 06:10.000 --> 06:12.000 that have happened across the different countries, 06:12.000 --> 06:14.000 because of legislation. 06:14.000 --> 06:18.000 Most of them, yeah, this is data from websites. 06:18.000 --> 06:23.000 You see that most people are aspects of just daily life 06:23.000 --> 06:25.000 that they would like to cater to. 06:25.000 --> 06:29.000 And of course, everything has gone technically online 06:29.000 --> 06:31.000 and many other parts of the world. 06:31.000 --> 06:35.000 And yeah, these are different uses. 06:38.000 --> 06:42.000 We also talk about the diversity of abilities. 06:42.000 --> 06:48.000 A lot of the work that is not something. 06:48.000 --> 06:49.000 Is this connected? 06:49.000 --> 06:50.000 Is it okay now? 06:50.000 --> 06:51.000 Amazing. 06:52.000 --> 06:58.000 So there are four branches of accessibility based on the technical standards 06:58.000 --> 07:00.000 and audits that inform it. 07:00.000 --> 07:04.000 We've had a range of aspects where you have eight aggregates. 07:04.000 --> 07:06.000 You have WCAG audits. 07:06.000 --> 07:10.000 We do a lot of work with the web content accessibility guidelines 07:10.000 --> 07:12.000 with the latest version of it, 07:12.000 --> 07:14.000 because it's also baked into legislation. 07:14.000 --> 07:17.000 So it's easier, it's an easier use case 07:17.000 --> 07:20.000 to convince companies to be more compliant. 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 So we talk about visual. 07:23.000 --> 07:26.000 Something happened. 07:26.000 --> 07:29.000 I can't see it, I'm sorry, I can't see it. 07:29.000 --> 07:32.000 But then I can, yes, we can, someone can fix it. 07:32.000 --> 07:33.000 That would be great. 07:33.000 --> 07:35.000 Someone could just get them to fix it. 07:35.000 --> 07:40.000 Sorry about that. 07:40.000 --> 07:41.000 Sorry about that. 07:41.000 --> 07:43.000 Oh, it's because of the internet. 07:43.000 --> 07:45.000 It's because of first time wide five. 07:45.000 --> 07:46.000 Oh, no. 07:46.000 --> 07:48.000 It's the first time wide five. 07:49.000 --> 07:51.000 Oh, amazing. 07:51.000 --> 07:54.000 He knows how language. 07:54.000 --> 07:57.000 Okay, that's fine. 07:57.000 --> 08:00.000 That's fine. 08:00.000 --> 08:03.000 Yeah, that would be great. 08:03.000 --> 08:05.000 Okay, I'll get back from my hotspot, 08:05.000 --> 08:07.000 because the other folks down with bias note. 08:07.000 --> 08:10.000 I can also share it, but my phone's charging. 08:10.000 --> 08:12.000 Okay. 08:12.000 --> 08:14.000 Do you want to, okay, there we go. 08:14.000 --> 08:16.000 Okay, it's back on. 08:17.000 --> 08:19.000 Did I charge my phone to me? 08:19.000 --> 08:20.000 No, no. 08:20.000 --> 08:24.000 Okay, wait, that is a goal. 08:28.000 --> 08:31.000 Okay, so we talk about why I'm not, 08:31.000 --> 08:34.000 okay, I'm having issues accessing my slides now. 08:34.000 --> 08:36.000 I don't know why. 08:38.000 --> 08:39.000 Oh, no. 08:39.000 --> 08:41.000 Erl, I need help. 08:41.000 --> 08:45.000 I'm not able to access my slides. 08:45.000 --> 08:48.000 I'm not able to go back and forth. 08:48.000 --> 08:49.000 I don't know what it is. 08:49.000 --> 08:50.000 I think it's the Wi-Fi. 08:50.000 --> 08:51.000 Yeah, it's the Wi-Fi. 08:53.000 --> 08:57.000 No, I'm using an offline and online version of Google slides. 08:57.000 --> 08:59.000 I'm sorry. 08:59.000 --> 09:01.000 You might want to post that yourself. 09:01.000 --> 09:02.000 Oh, you can just give me my phone. 09:02.000 --> 09:04.000 I'm sorry about this. 09:04.000 --> 09:16.000 I don't know if I can, I can someone help me down. 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 I'm not able to access anything online. 09:20.000 --> 09:22.000 I'm not able to access anything online. 09:23.000 --> 09:24.000 Can you hear me? 09:40.000 --> 09:42.000 Can I... 09:42.000 --> 09:44.000 Can I... 09:44.000 --> 09:45.000 Okay, okay, okay. 09:45.000 --> 09:46.000 Okay, okay. 09:47.000 --> 09:49.000 Okay, there's a kid in it. 09:49.000 --> 09:51.000 This is all spaced out. 09:51.000 --> 09:54.000 All over the case, yeah. 10:00.000 --> 10:02.000 There are also these. 10:04.000 --> 10:06.000 There are put a space between... 10:12.000 --> 10:13.000 Oh my god, wait. 10:15.000 --> 10:16.000 Okay. 10:21.000 --> 10:22.000 Okay. 10:26.000 --> 10:27.000 Thank you. 10:27.000 --> 10:29.000 Okay, let's go to the woods. 10:31.000 --> 10:33.000 We're starting to... 10:34.000 --> 10:35.000 Okay, okay. 10:35.000 --> 10:36.000 I'm just going to stand there. 10:36.000 --> 10:37.000 Wait, wait, wait. 10:37.000 --> 10:38.000 I thought it was open. 10:39.000 --> 10:40.000 I have no idea. 10:41.000 --> 10:44.000 We downloaded ours as power points. 10:45.000 --> 10:46.000 Great. 10:46.000 --> 10:47.000 No, it's not seen. 10:48.000 --> 10:49.000 Can I come here? 10:49.000 --> 10:50.000 Can I see? 10:50.000 --> 10:52.000 No, I can't see my slides. 10:52.000 --> 10:53.000 I can move it on. 10:54.000 --> 10:56.000 And just let it back again. 10:59.000 --> 11:00.000 Oh, second. 11:00.000 --> 11:01.000 Just give us a few minutes, everyone. 11:01.000 --> 11:06.000 It wouldn't be a tech conference without a issue. 11:07.000 --> 11:08.000 Okay. 11:09.000 --> 11:10.000 Okay. 11:10.000 --> 11:11.000 Yeah. 11:11.000 --> 11:13.000 This is a fantastic example. 11:14.000 --> 11:15.000 Yeah. 11:15.000 --> 11:17.000 The web requires the next convention 11:17.000 --> 11:19.000 that connects into working a lot of situations. 11:20.000 --> 11:24.000 I don't know how well accessibility tools are with working connections. 11:26.000 --> 11:29.000 That is definitely a fair observation I would say. 11:30.000 --> 11:31.000 For sure. 11:31.000 --> 11:32.000 Okay. 11:32.000 --> 11:33.000 I don't know. 11:35.000 --> 11:37.000 I should have done. 11:37.000 --> 11:38.000 I didn't know. 11:38.000 --> 11:39.000 I was so happy. 11:39.000 --> 11:40.000 Okay. 11:40.000 --> 11:41.000 I just... 11:41.000 --> 11:42.000 It was fun. 11:47.000 --> 11:48.000 Can I do? 11:48.000 --> 11:49.000 It's like... 11:58.000 --> 12:00.000 I could go on without the slides. 12:00.000 --> 12:01.000 That's also fine. 12:01.000 --> 12:03.000 If that works for you. 12:03.000 --> 12:04.000 Yeah. 12:04.000 --> 12:05.000 Okay. 12:13.000 --> 12:15.000 It's not all three of you now. 12:19.000 --> 12:20.000 It was fun. 12:20.000 --> 12:21.000 It was fun. 12:21.000 --> 12:22.000 It was second ago. 12:22.000 --> 12:23.000 Trade again. 12:24.000 --> 12:25.000 Okay. 12:25.000 --> 12:26.000 Okay. 12:26.000 --> 12:27.000 I know. 12:31.000 --> 12:32.000 Oh. 12:32.000 --> 12:33.000 Oh, here we go. 12:33.000 --> 12:34.000 Great. 12:34.000 --> 12:35.000 Amazing. 12:35.000 --> 12:36.000 So. 12:36.000 --> 12:40.000 Understanding accessibility is also understanding new user personas. 12:40.000 --> 12:45.000 And given that accessibility is an umbrella term for a lot of people 12:45.000 --> 12:48.000 with different varied forms of disabilities. 12:48.000 --> 12:53.000 It's also necessary to test it with as many users as possible 12:53.000 --> 12:59.000 to ensure that you can have a lot of flu cases where there is a lot of agreement 12:59.000 --> 13:04.000 and there's a lot of adherence to all the test cases that have been done. 13:04.000 --> 13:07.000 And all the success criteria has been fulfilled. 13:07.000 --> 13:14.000 But practically in reality, if users are not able to be more adaptable 13:14.000 --> 13:16.000 and use the tool, it's a fail. 13:16.000 --> 13:21.000 So it's absolutely necessary to have users with different disabilities in your team, 13:21.000 --> 13:29.000 case and point people here to ensure that your tools and your applications are accessible. 13:29.000 --> 13:37.000 And we also talk about how it's necessary to have for grounding amongst teams to help people 13:37.000 --> 13:42.000 improve their empathy and understand better because it is more of an empathy exercise 13:42.000 --> 13:51.000 where people need to understand that accessibility is often not. 13:51.000 --> 13:57.000 It is the ideal way to work on the accessibility with your project, testing it with users, 13:57.000 --> 14:03.000 understanding basic things like, you know, what are the different tools that are there, 14:03.000 --> 14:08.000 familiarizing yourself with different assistive technologies that are used, 14:08.000 --> 14:10.000 existing resources. 14:10.000 --> 14:14.000 I will also hyperlink the slides with all the guides that are here. 14:14.000 --> 14:20.000 But just I'm just going to go through some of the commonly used assistive technology devices. 14:20.000 --> 14:23.000 Assistive technology for high contrast keyboards. 14:23.000 --> 14:25.000 They could be brave friendly. 14:25.000 --> 14:32.000 They could be connected to switches and big masses for people who have disabilities with their hands. 14:32.000 --> 14:37.000 And of course, they're being more customized to the side so that it can be red better. 14:38.000 --> 14:49.000 Screen readers, color enhancement glasses for people who have color blindness. 14:49.000 --> 14:53.000 Braille display in switches, different kinds that are here. 14:53.000 --> 15:00.000 And these are typically of course attached to laptops and iPads and so and so forth. 15:00.000 --> 15:03.000 But yes, of course. 15:03.000 --> 15:07.000 A laptop is ideally better than an application. 15:07.000 --> 15:12.000 An application is a bit more nuanced so that improving accessibility of websites. 15:12.000 --> 15:15.000 And at least having both those options would be great. 15:15.000 --> 15:18.000 Switches, eye tracking devices. 15:18.000 --> 15:22.000 This was of course inspired by a game. 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 And screen readers. 15:24.000 --> 15:29.000 Who here has or is aware and how it has toyed around with screen readers. 15:29.000 --> 15:30.000 Anyone here? 15:31.000 --> 15:34.000 You'll do not. 15:34.000 --> 15:38.000 Also very important one using respectful language. 15:38.000 --> 15:43.000 In your guidelines and guidance is of how you go about with things. 15:43.000 --> 15:45.000 Okay. 15:45.000 --> 15:49.000 And these of course, we spoke about the content accessibility guidelines. 15:49.000 --> 15:51.000 I only have five minutes. 15:51.000 --> 15:57.000 I'm going to actually rush to some of the slides and talk about some of the aspects. 15:57.000 --> 16:02.000 So yeah, these are the four principles of web content accessibility guidelines. 16:02.000 --> 16:09.000 I will go ahead and talk about two or three accessibility devices that you can do. 16:09.000 --> 16:17.000 Of course, addressing accessibility as a core principle, which can help you identify and mitigate potential security vulnerabilities. 16:17.000 --> 16:24.000 That of course reinforces the reliability of the software and attacks on rights. 16:25.000 --> 16:31.000 Of course, there are teams that have internal expertise. 16:31.000 --> 16:38.000 And but self-order it can also is not going to help you mitigate all the biases that you might have. 16:38.000 --> 16:43.000 Having an expert or party could help you because you tend to. 16:43.000 --> 16:46.000 Yeah, it's I'm running out of time. 16:46.000 --> 16:48.000 I'm going to go ahead with a few points. 16:48.000 --> 16:51.000 So yeah, way finding and visibility. 16:51.000 --> 16:58.000 The system should always keep users informed about what's going on through appropriate feedback and many reasonable times. 16:58.000 --> 17:05.000 Avoid mentioning misleading cues that people could make false assumptions about what your system is doing. 17:05.000 --> 17:09.000 And and don't overwhelm people with key information. 17:09.000 --> 17:15.000 That can affect an individual's personal agency to be able to opt out of a data process, 17:15.000 --> 17:20.000 especially when it comes to privacy and personal data policies. 17:20.000 --> 17:25.000 And these are some of the accessibility aspects that you can do, where you can provide alternative text to images, 17:25.000 --> 17:26.000 wherever they're possible. 17:26.000 --> 17:33.000 My camera great talk about the consistency around it, so that there should be a way where it's harmonized and it's decentralized. 17:33.000 --> 17:39.000 Of course, ensuring that there's a correct reading sequence for screen readers, 17:39.000 --> 17:46.000 avoiding background for peer recorded audio, ensuring that the color contrast is effective. 17:47.000 --> 17:49.000 Second one is post-using human language. 17:49.000 --> 17:50.000 We're all human beings. 17:50.000 --> 17:55.000 We all and ensuring that the language and phrases are similar rather than using very. 17:55.000 --> 17:59.000 System oriented technical terminologies. 17:59.000 --> 18:03.000 Making information appear in a in a natural and logical order, and which is why, 18:03.000 --> 18:06.000 and this is one of the premises, of course, inclusive design. 18:06.000 --> 18:11.000 For using clear language, simplifying complex information, 18:11.000 --> 18:16.000 writing elementary reading level, because sometimes it's also digital literacy exercise. 18:16.000 --> 18:25.000 Clean task oriented, ensuring that every word and visual should have a purpose of related of what the tool and what the. 18:25.000 --> 18:29.000 What the technology is trying to help accomplish. 18:29.000 --> 18:36.000 And also given, then this is of course, a security feature that that should be available to persons with disabilities, 18:36.000 --> 18:41.000 where they should have, where they should have aspects related to time limits, 18:41.000 --> 18:46.000 for example, filling out a form, reaching out to service providers that that can give them 18:46.000 --> 18:56.000 alternative versions, so that they don't have to be hurried and rush to be able to fill something out that is urgent. 18:56.000 --> 19:04.000 And these are some other accessibility examples that you can have recommendations. 19:04.000 --> 19:09.000 And I think I think you have one minute left. 19:09.000 --> 19:14.000 Okay. 19:14.000 --> 19:22.000 Yeah, then there's using descriptive titles and links. 19:22.000 --> 19:29.000 And yeah, I think. 19:30.000 --> 19:39.000 Happy to take questions and thank you. 19:44.000 --> 19:45.000 Yes. 19:59.000 --> 20:08.000 Also, the manuals and so many things, no possibility to simplify their interface with the thing that we don't need. 20:08.000 --> 20:11.000 So I have to move to an almost email. 20:11.000 --> 20:12.000 It was good. 20:12.000 --> 20:15.000 One minute of reading, it was good. 20:15.000 --> 20:17.000 But now it's not. 20:17.000 --> 20:19.000 I'm not saying all the case. 20:20.000 --> 20:26.000 And the problem of the theory of Google, Google, the tools and something like that. 20:26.000 --> 20:32.000 Probably the better, the best interface I have seen is the scholar of mine. 20:32.000 --> 20:35.000 Interesting. Thank you for sharing that. 20:35.000 --> 20:37.000 Can you, I mean. 20:37.000 --> 20:41.000 Do you want to keep this statement for people online? 20:41.000 --> 20:48.000 He did mention a tool called Colabra, which is a good web interface for it being more accessible. 20:49.000 --> 20:53.000 Compared to the alternatives of Google products, right? 20:53.000 --> 20:54.000 Colabra. 21:19.000 --> 21:22.000 I like it because the best presentation actually. 21:22.000 --> 21:23.000 Amazing. 21:23.000 --> 21:25.000 Language is not so easy. 21:25.000 --> 21:27.000 Spanish is not in the stable. 21:27.000 --> 21:29.000 But a lot of things to do. 21:29.000 --> 21:34.000 But so, I think some of our products have to do with the tool. 21:34.000 --> 21:37.000 Also, the links are for me. 21:37.000 --> 21:42.000 But it's better for a place than the time off. 21:42.000 --> 21:49.000 But so, I have something else of the things to share. 21:49.000 --> 21:55.000 So, I try to go on with some websites that are very complicated. 21:55.000 --> 21:58.000 Can I take other questions? 21:58.000 --> 21:59.000 Sure, yeah. 21:59.000 --> 22:04.000 Good thing we also have another questions, comments. 22:05.000 --> 22:06.000 Hmm? 22:06.000 --> 22:10.000 I would like to ask about the expert of this presentation. 22:10.000 --> 22:14.000 The audience, I have used those services for people. 22:14.000 --> 22:16.000 So, I don't understand. 22:16.000 --> 22:18.000 Basically, I don't know what to do. 22:18.000 --> 22:20.000 They don't have the disabled people in their teams. 22:20.000 --> 22:22.000 They just have their own guidance. 22:22.000 --> 22:24.000 So, can you take the people's objectives? 22:24.000 --> 22:28.000 Make sure that they are actually useful for accessibility. 22:28.000 --> 22:31.000 You know, you just have about things like that. 22:31.000 --> 22:38.000 Yeah, I think there are a lot. 22:38.000 --> 22:41.000 There are very few in the open source side. 22:41.000 --> 22:42.000 There are a lot of private sector. 22:42.000 --> 22:44.000 I would say auditors. 22:44.000 --> 22:46.000 But for example, where are service providers? 22:46.000 --> 22:52.000 We have different testing tool teams across different geographies to help us inform our audits. 22:52.000 --> 23:00.000 A lot of our audits are using the success and fail criteria of the latest guidelines. 23:00.000 --> 23:07.000 And we actually do recommend having an accessibility statement for proper documentation, 23:07.000 --> 23:09.000 so that you can ensure what level you are at. 23:09.000 --> 23:10.000 There are three levels. 23:10.000 --> 23:17.000 There's A, W, W is what is usually mandated for a lot of public sector websites across the world. 23:17.000 --> 23:22.000 And then of course, there's AAA where you can go all out and see what there is. 23:23.000 --> 23:25.000 First with different innovations. 23:25.000 --> 23:29.000 The latest guidelines are 2.2 versions. 23:29.000 --> 23:35.000 And the W, 3C website always talks about and discusses a lot of the innovation going there. 23:35.000 --> 23:41.000 But yeah, I would say a lot of the third party audits are people who have done accessibility. 23:41.000 --> 23:45.000 Like we have a report with recommendations that developers can use. 23:45.000 --> 23:51.000 And we also have an, if we have access, we also do implementation because a lot of people 23:51.000 --> 23:53.000 just don't have the time. 23:53.000 --> 23:55.000 I just do that. 23:55.000 --> 23:59.000 But actually there's a comment from folks in the first where that I'll leave. 23:59.000 --> 24:05.000 By implementing these strategies, designers can create environments and products that not only can 24:05.000 --> 24:10.000 that validate them and audit on autism, but also promote the culture of inclusion and 24:10.000 --> 24:14.000 respect for all individuals regardless of their abilities. 24:14.000 --> 24:17.000 This is also from the Boston design chat online. 24:17.000 --> 24:18.000 You may think. 24:18.000 --> 24:19.000 Yeah. 24:20.000 --> 24:22.000 That is true. 24:22.000 --> 24:25.000 We do look at. 24:25.000 --> 24:26.000 Okay. 24:26.000 --> 24:27.000 Is there any other questions? 24:27.000 --> 24:29.000 I know I have another minute or two. 24:29.000 --> 24:31.000 We have like one minute left. 24:31.000 --> 24:32.000 Yeah. 24:32.000 --> 24:33.000 Anyone else has a question? 24:33.000 --> 24:34.000 Comment? 24:34.000 --> 24:35.000 Yes. 24:35.000 --> 24:42.000 I am not just working as a like. 24:42.000 --> 24:45.000 Is that or sometimes I also can industrial divide? 24:45.000 --> 24:50.000 I find that is probably to find a root source of accessibility on physical actions. 24:50.000 --> 24:56.000 So do you have any recommendations or root source that I can improve? 24:56.000 --> 25:01.000 For physical interactions for like in terms of events or you're talking about. 25:01.000 --> 25:08.000 I would come back to you and I didn't even keep in touch with me, but I would say 25:08.000 --> 25:09.000 go ahead. 25:09.000 --> 25:16.000 My partner works with people with alas, so people who have lots of things to do. 25:16.000 --> 25:19.000 I don't know. 25:19.000 --> 25:20.000 I don't know. 25:20.000 --> 25:21.000 I don't know. 25:21.000 --> 25:22.000 I don't know. 25:22.000 --> 25:23.000 I don't know. 25:23.000 --> 25:24.000 I don't know. 25:24.000 --> 25:25.000 I don't know. 25:25.000 --> 25:26.000 I don't know. 25:26.000 --> 25:27.000 I don't know. 25:27.000 --> 25:28.000 I don't know. 25:28.000 --> 25:29.000 I don't know. 25:29.000 --> 25:30.000 I see people who are watching and growing their bodies. 25:30.000 --> 25:34.020 So people who loved light, who lives here there, there's a golden opportunity 25:34.020 --> 25:35.020 to move. 25:35.020 --> 25:41.040 I actually see eye tracking, where a single button is set, so if a firm physical thing is I can 25:41.040 --> 25:46.000 connect you with them, if you're curious about everything. 25:46.000 --> 25:51.960 That's really about guard rails around and say just one of these things about me doing 25:51.960 --> 25:57.320 a boards to choose, the words you want the authentic voice to say out loud. 25:57.320 --> 26:00.380 out is making sure I don't think that's the right word 26:00.380 --> 26:05.220 barbrow, but essentially it's like a plastic border 26:05.220 --> 26:09.660 around where you need to press or use, 26:09.660 --> 26:13.500 because the ability to use is very, 26:13.500 --> 26:18.740 so that anything that helps guide a physical limb 26:18.740 --> 26:22.340 or thinker or however it is into the correct location 26:22.340 --> 26:33.220 and of course, a lot of other assistive technology devices 26:33.220 --> 26:34.620 that would be helpful here. 26:34.620 --> 26:36.060 We're in a four-time time. 26:36.060 --> 26:37.340 Well time, okay. 26:37.340 --> 26:38.540 Thank you so much. 26:38.540 --> 26:40.540 Thank you so much.